Wednesday, October 21, 2009

RTB Likes "Promoting Confusion in Educational Psychology"


Casie, no need to skewer rjmr...I've got it. Better yet, I hired a hit-theorist:
Fenstermacher, G., & Richardson, V. (1994). Promoting confusion in educational psychology: How is it done? Educational psychologist, 29(1), 49-55. (The Bereiter Stuff is on pp. 50-51)
I try to do a bit of irritating condensation, of course...(sometimes in medias res...) The bullets are mine. Anything in medias res is tagged as mine.
We tease you because we love you,bro!



(now there's a great example of a productive "non-progressive" discourse!)


  • Progressive discourse = Bereiter's attempt to graft behaviorism/cognitivism to postmodernism:


    • "Bereiter deserves praise for his honest and straightforward effort to work out the implications of postmodern thought for his own conception of what is involved in doing educational psychology. This exploration has, it seems, moved his thinking away from the behaviorist and cognitive theories of learning for which he is well known toward a conception of scientific method that places empirical warrant within a discourse community."



  • Progressive discourse = Bereiter's attempt to impose the hegemony of research/science on education/praxis:


    • "There are still signs in his article, however, of a conception of theory into practice that promotes the authority of some (i.e., researchers and theorists) to prescribe the practices and thought processes of others (i.e., teachers and students). This continues a long tradition in educational psychology that assumes that educational reform is a linear progression from the development of formal knowledge by researchers to the adoption of principles from this research by teacher-consumers."






  • Progressive discourse = Bereiter's attempt to "put lipstick on a pig":


    • "In accommodating to the postmodernist view, Bereiter redefined the scientific method as a commitment to progressive discourse. This allowed him to maintain a sense of scientific progress — a position at odds with postmodernist thinking — while accepting the postmodernist position on the impossibility or irrelevance of a concept of objectivity in research. Locating the judgment of progress within a scientific community allowed Bereiter to reject a realist position that there is a reality external to an individual that may be apprehended through the scientific method-while moving the judgment of progress to a position that is external to the individual. For Bereiter, it is the discourse community that determines whether new ideas and their research evidence should be rejected or synthesized, or whether they should replace other ideas. He developed a set of prescriptions or entailments that ensure that the discourse process leads to progress..."






  • Progressive discourse = Bereiter's attempt to equate progress with consensus, and by so doing, silence heterodoxies:


    • "Bereiter's commitment to discourse as the forum for the creation and judgement of  scientific progress joins a strong and growing literature in social theory that proposes that dialogue, as engaged within certain sets of rules or entailments [<RTB>Let's call these discourses</RTB>], is our only hope for enlightened political and social decision making — as well as empowering educational processes...Unlike Bereiter's, however, most other sets of entailments [<RTB>discourses</RTB>] deal with the issue of equality of participation. Further, the goal of such discourse processes may not be consensus. Equating progress with consensus is precisely what postmodernists...would suggest leads to the hegemony that silences marginalized voices."


  • Progressive discourse = Bereiter's attempt to be "'da Man" for teachers, and to have teachers be "da Man" for students:


    • "When Bereiter moves to the educational implications of his progressive-discourse theory, one can see why equal participation in the discourse is not one of his criteria. The concept of authority is strongly represented in his conceptualization of the discourse community classroom. The first authority is Bereiter, himself, who, as a learning theorist, developed prescriptions for teachers on the nature of the progressive-discourse classroom, and for the role of the teachers in such classrooms. The next authority is the teacher, whose role is to lead students forward by having them examine authoritative texts and other expert sources and come to common interpretation of their meaning. The teacher would also determine whether the discourse is progressive and would intervene if it were not. Thus, authority over the nature of the classroom discourse and the goals and role of the teacher resides in the theorist — Bereiter — and authority related to [<RTB>Insert your discipline here</RTB>] resides in the text, the teacher, and other forms of expertise."




  • Progressive discourse = Bereiter's attempt to impose a hegemony of knowledge, and by so doing, promoting inequality and marginalizing democracy:


    • "Bereiter's article represents a provocative attempt to accommodate the subjective elements of postmodernism within a postpositivist approach to scientific method, but it ignores a most important issue in the postmodern thinking — the critique related to the hegemony of knowledge. By ignoring the concern that discourse communities may be undemocratic, Bereiter's approach would not appease the postmodern critics nor would it contribute to reducing the inequality present in the enactment of [<RTB>Insert your discipline here</RTB>]."



RTB throws down his keyboard and walks off à la Ralphie May........

2 comments:

trena paulus said...

can you send me this article? if you do i'll forgive you for missing class! j/k - thanks, if not I'll find it online.

trena said...

Excellent - this helps me clarify the difference between a discursive approach and a critical approach. Discursive people stop at simply pointing out that "truth claims" are made in discourse communities ( a huge enough leap that's difficult enough for people to make, it seems.) Those with a critical stance try to point out that those communities have inherently unequal power distribution and unequal participation (hegemonic.)

Okay, so yes, discourse communities are inherently unequal. And we should, what, point that out? Use scholarship to show those inequities? Perhaps. Will pointing out the inequities make things change? We hope so...

I don't have a problem with teachers holding the power in classrooms and trying to facilitate certain kinds of discourse. There ARE natural power distributions in EVERY classroom - it's part of the very structure of the institution. There's no real way to get rid of that dynamic - so I just try to use my power for good, not evil (ha ha). As we talked about in our last 531 class, I try to give ya'll power, and you just reposition me back as the authority figure. I've decided to work within that system rather than pretend it doesn't exist.

Also, regarding one of the earlier quotes you have there, I'm kind of tired of people claiming that academics and researchers are trying to "tell practitioners what to do" - when nearly all of us these days who are researchers WERE and still ARE also practitioners. Why is the assumption that we don't listen to practitioners? That we have no real world experience ourselves? That practitioner knowledge should automatically trump theory?

Ideally, of course, we would all be on the same playing field - but we aren't. Can we ever be?

Critical theorists - do they assume that it is actually possible to reach a space where we are all equal? And if so, where's the evidence that such a space has ever, in the history of humankind, existed? Maybe it's the ideal we are all striving for? I'm not sure.